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Poster: cream-puff-war Date: Jan 20, 2007 6:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

certainly not right, yet so far left right>?

what a crazy section of the universe this is... c'mon!

vive Fidel!

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Jan 20, 2007 6:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

You mean the Fidel who, in 40 plus years of criminal rule, has jailed and executed tens of thousands of political dissedints, homosexuals, and others whose only crime was not seeing the world the way he and his piggish syncophants told them to see it? That Fidel?

If by "Vive Fidel" you mean "I can't wait to take a fat piss on that murderous bastard's grave," I second that.

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Poster: Max Chorak Date: Jan 20, 2007 11:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

darkeyes: "So, if your parents decided to abort you before you were born, then you would never have had the opportunity to listen to the Grateful Dead, write this post, or have children of you own? Just a thought."

I can't believe you didn't see the big flaw there though!!

It wouldn't matter either way.. If I was aborted, I wouldn't have even known what music was :P


And cream puff, did you really mean vive fidel? :O

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Poster: Spaced Date: Jan 20, 2007 5:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

They'd love Fidel if he let in mafia gambling, corporate agriculture, McDonald's, economic slavery like Haiti.

On the other hand I hope Hugo Chavez doesn't get like Bush with his new power of executive signing orders.

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Jan 20, 2007 7:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

It really doesn't matter whether he's embraced by the left or the right. Fidel Castro is indisputably a bloodthirsty piece of shit with a moral compass somewhere between Edi Amin Dada and Ted Bundy.

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Poster: Spaced Date: Jan 21, 2007 2:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

Yeah right. The Cubans in Miami proved themselves so righteously -- like Scarface. Dem is murdera.

Marxism is horrible but in this case the US puppet Batista was worse.

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Jan 21, 2007 7:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

Whether or not Batista was worse than Castro is 1.) a matter of conmsiderable debate, and 2.) irrelevant to my post.

Castro is a filthy piece of snake excrement. Period. Why someone would feel the need to add some caveat to that fact is beyond me.

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Poster: Spaced Date: Jan 22, 2007 2:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

Sorry but this world is about choices. Thugs and murderas might be a fine choice for you but you just benefit from being a citizen of Rome/Babylon under our Pax Americana. Illegal detention and torture by the US on Cuban soil should be symbolic enough, unless one is blinded by pride.

We suport and train death squads, and only snakes deny the facts that have been clear since the 1970s at least. Trade sanctions on Cuba just force them to dig in. If we helped nourish democracy instead of corporate control the conditions of all Latin America would be vastly better.

And why someone would use elegant writing to cloud unwary minds about the nature of early American history is beyond me.

The whole neocon bent of this forum is not representative of the GD heads that I grew up with. It's almost like right wing foundations have found a way to energize zombies to manage a new COINTEL program for them.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jan 22, 2007 3:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

please tell me you dont live in my country. if you do.....you know the rest.

plus, there is medication available now to help - please look into it.

skuzzle is "dead" on - if you can't see that - well, that was a dumb question.......

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Poster: Edsel Date: Jan 22, 2007 4:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

Actually, what is representative of GD heads, is the fact that they came from every walk of life, every political bent, and every economic situation, to partake in what was a fine ensemble of musicians, playing fine music, for everyone to enjoy.
There is no Universal Mind for DeadHeads, quite the opposite in fact, a more diverse group of folks cannot be found anywhere else.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jan 22, 2007 4:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

spaced has some serious issues - just look up some of his prior posts - entertaining anyways

(just like mine i suppose at times)

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Poster: Spaced Date: Jan 25, 2007 12:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

> There is no Universal Mind for DeadHeads, quite the
> opposite in fact, a more diverse group of folks cannot

The people of this country are mostly decent, but lazy and ignorant and powerless. The least we can do is admit that the elites hate our freedom and undermine our democracy, and are slowly bleeding us dry.

The Fed complains that entitlements are the cause of a budget crisis but ignore runaway military spending and corporate subsidies. It's no secret really.

Just click Edit, or send in the good ole boys for the brain washing to wipe out unpleasant memories.

Ok trolls, attack!


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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Jan 23, 2007 6:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

“There was a universal mind of sorts that made Dead shows better being inside than outside. At least in the Bay Area you could leave your stuff and it would still be there when the show was over; and you didn't have to worry about fights or being robbed like at other bands' shows.”

That’s great that you’re part of a universal mind. I choose to think for myself.

”Maybe it really was a Bay Area thing, and Alabama hates us because of our freedom. Rhetoric surely but true. “

Explain what freedoms exist in California that don’t exist in Alabama. Please be specific. What the fuck does ‘rhetoric surely but true’ mean?

”Then again, a shadowbox of the apocalypse would include satans to mislead the prideful. Perhaps that was part of the creative tension, and part of the scene that left trash everywhere.”

I hate those damn stinking “satans”.

”I notice, direwolf0701, that you can only muster a claim of "serious issues" but have nothing substantive to say except Fox News/Archie Bunker level comments and beyond into outright racist war-mongering. If I think I see it I'll post.”

I think I’d love to see it. Seriously, if you can offer hard proof Direwolf is a racist, I’d love to see it.

”But does anyone really think the US is making the world better now than when my aunts and uncles started trying to find new answers in mass in the 60s?”

What answers did they find? I mean, if you’re going to make a statement like that, please offer some proof that your aunts and uncles did something to make the world better. What tangible results can I see around me today are a result of something your relatives did.

”The people of this country are mostly decent, but lazy and ignorant and powerless. The least we can do is admit that the elites hate our freedom and undermine our democracy, and are slowly bleeding us dry.”

Funny, I don’t feel bled dry. Maybe it’s because I’m so ignorant, though. In any case, I’m too lazy to find out. And how do I know that you’re not one of “the elites”? Or even “a satan” for that matter?

”The fed complains that entitlements are the cause of a budget crisis but ignore runaway military spending and corporate subsidies. It's no secret really.”

When you say “the fed”, are you referring to the Federal Reserve Bank? The Federal Government? What? Also, some quotes of these “complaints” that have come from ‘the fed” would be helpful, since it’s very difficult to ascertain what it is you’re talking about here. Examples, please.

”There is truth and it cannot be hidden or killed forever. God is the best of planners, so take heed. This is no personal threat -- we're all subject when it comes to global warming and a rising tide.”

And let me guess: you’re just the sort of person who’ll be happy to fill me in on what the “truth” really is, right? And anyway, if it was a personal threat, there would be little I could do, being lazy and ignorant and powerless and all.

”Maybe I'm dodging lions and wasting time, but I have a sense of urgency lately about the long time gone I'm headin' for.”

My advice: watch out for the lions.

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Jan 23, 2007 5:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

It's quite clear you have a problem with my saying anything bad about Fidel Castro and leaving it at that. For some reason, you chose to respond as though my disapproval of Castro is an endorsement of the guy he replaced.

Batista vs. Castro is an entirely seperate discussion than my saying Castro is a brutally repressive criminal and one of the great enemies of human rights. If you'll re-read my posts instead of making paranoid, semi-literate accusations, you'll find no endorsements of Batista whatsoever. I said it was debatable who was worse- that's all. I did not draw a conclusion. Your diatribe is in response to statement that was never made and a position that was never stated.



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Poster: Spaced Date: Jan 23, 2007 2:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

No it's the right wing groupthink that is repugnant. Yeah right, let's pile on small rebels like Castro and ignore the massive problems of the American Empire. The subtext is stuff like, build more nukes to keep us 'safe' from the terrorists.

It's a bit simplistic just saying Fidel is bad. Things could have and would be much better in Cuba if the US hadn't been so obsessed with punitive sanctions for almost 50 years.

And yes skuz, the fed should have been "The Fed" or Federal Reserve. It's my mistake to use and forget to capitalize a term so familiar from my schooling and training in a general forum. I thought the drumbeat from the establishment media (budget problems "are" from entitlements not military and healthcare problems) woulda been clue enough, sorry.

And past exchanges with direwolfxxx are in the archive if you need a reality check. I jump to conclusions at times; soory to forget the love we bring. I'm just tired of racism (remember jackboot dire), Christians who don't know the basics of their scriptures, and right wing propaganda.

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Poster: orbitrod Date: Feb 7, 2007 1:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

Just my 2 cents, take it or leave yet, please comment on what you think.

As a moderate republican that believes in working for your success but at the same time giving aid to those in deed. Going to Iraq was the right decision for our country. But this then raises the question of human rights, sovereignty, and American greed for oil. Some might say that we don't belong there, and that we are abusing the Iraqi population, but in fact they are better off now then they were before. Why? Simple, less corruption. The Iraqi armed forces, leadership and police are allllll corrupt. Their allegiances shift and change like the wind. The have absolutely no honor and only care to benefit themselves. The American army is now keeping everyone in check over their, as well as educating the civil population to reject corruption and uphold justice and basic human rights. Sovereignty, what sovereignty? Should we stand by while corrupt leaders promote the terrorism of our country as well as their own people? We stood by and did nothing for about 40 years and look what happened? World War II and the Holocaust. Is it written somewhere that it is our responsibility to big brother to the rest of the world and to dictate policy? NO! BUT neither was Manifest Destiny. It is our destiny to protect and uphold civil liberties and encourage peace. We have the power and the education as well as the ethics in place. We cannot simply stand by and watch others be sacrificed for no purpose. All life is sacred and important. Everyone in the world, should have the same opportunity that we have in the United States to be happy and to be a quality life. Lastly, American Greed. Are we greedy, are we justed interested in middle eastern oil for our own use and world wide superiority? yes and no, there were genocides being carried out in Africa years before 9/11 and we did nothing. This disgusts me and I still think we need to improve our our foreign policy to help those in dire need, such as genocide. But forget about the oil for a second, Iraq is also a breeding ground for terrorists the have killed thousands in the UK and the USA. Second, Saddam was a very powerful figurehead in the middle east and amongst terrorists, and if he hasn't already made weapons of mass destruction, it is more than likely that he was trying to make them or fund others that made them. Probably to be used against neighboring countries or the US directly. The lastly OIL. Oil makes the world go round people, don't be so naive. We need to protect our (the world supply) of oil. And yes the US consumes like 95% (just kidding) of the world's oil. Well then you know what? Other countries that want it need to step it up. Its not our fault that our forefathers got it right the first time and implemented a great free capitalist government system that has fostered economic growth unseen anywhere else in the world as well as technological innovation. If you want your country to be successful come up with another energy source, or find your own oil. In fact most of the world's oil is in the ocean, but right now we do not have the technology to dig that deep.

All in all, I think its great we are in Iraq and trying to do something to change that country for the better. And I hope we can keep it up with other countries as well, and I hope more members of the UN will support our noble efforts.

http://www.orbitmicro.com

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Poster: Spaced Date: Feb 9, 2007 9:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

Thanks for the emotionally balanced note!

>>>It is our destiny to protect and uphold civil liberties and encourage peace. We have the power and the education as well as the ethics in place.>>>

Realistically we need to get off the high horse and face up to racism, classism, and corruption at home. We've made great progress in many ways in 50 years, but a much longer history of chattel slavery, mass genocide, gunboat diplomacy, and banana republics is not quickly undone.

We may have power but our ethics are troubling. We were lied into war, just as most of the previous ones, and that is irrefutable. Means are important and liars will not prosper, especially when they play on fear and distort people's true sense of justice into war profiteering.


>>>Iraq is also a breeding ground for terrorists the have killed thousands in the UK and the USA. Second, Saddam was a very powerful figurehead in the middle east and amongst terrorists, and if he hasn't already made weapons of mass destruction, it is more than likely that he was trying to make them or fund others that made them.>>>

The UN had inspectors in place until the US insisted on their removal. Then NO weapons of mass destruction were found, not even under Bush's podium. If only Dave Chappelle was president.

And Bush actually acknowledged last year that Saddam and Ossama were NOT connected. After intense and daily bombing for 10 years, Iraq was no threat and Iraq suffered so much that over a million children (and more) died of the poisons and sanctions. Not that I like tyrants like Saddam, but Rumsfeld is the one who made deals with him personally, and the US govt aided both Iraq and Iran in their war against each other.

Since 2003, we've killed many many more. Calmly compare what we lost in numbers to what harm we've inflicted, and then also consider all the dictators and suppression we support.

Sure it's a dirty world but we can't escape karma just because we say 'lord, lord.'



>>>>free capitalist government system that has fostered economic growth unseen anywhere else in the world as well as technological innovation.>>>

There is and never has been a true free market, speaking as an economist. Welfare for the rich is the reality, and it's built on the backs of the poor. If 1% of the people own 50% the wealth in the US, you can just imagine the numbers of people who are forced to support the wealthy. That goes for Communist China too of course!

We're in for a world of pain from the weather, energy market disruption, and the obscene debt if we can't change course. The government response to Katrina shows clearly we are vulnerable and willfully unready AND unwilling.


>>>All in all, I think its great we are in Iraq and trying to do something to change that country for the better.>>>

The current effort is based on lies and corruption and that is not good! Almost all Iraqis (and the world) want us out, and we can't afford the TRILLIONS to go it alone even apart from moral considerations.

If we want to change it for better we have to transition to a world WIDE coalition, involving many Muslim countries. Everyone has a stake in the oil economy after all.





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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Jan 24, 2007 5:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

“No it's the right wing groupthink that is repugnant. Yeah right, let's pile on small rebels like Castro and ignore the massive problems of the American Empire. The subtext is stuff like, build more nukes to keep us 'safe' from the terrorists.”

Castro isn’t a “small rebel”. He’s a dictator of a country who has been entrenched in power for nearly half a century. There really wasn’t any subtext in anything I wrote, although your obvious paranoia may lead you to believe otherwise.

”It's a bit simplistic just saying Fidel is bad. Things could have and would be much better in Cuba if the US hadn't been so obsessed with punitive sanctions for almost 50 years.”

What’s simplistic about calling Castro a murderous tyrant? That’s what he is- stone cold fact. Just because you have some unnatural compulsion to attach a “Yeah, but…” to every criticism of this stinking waste of flesh doesn’t make such a sentiment simplistic. Things would have been much better in Cuba if people like you would place the blame where it belongs. Hopefully in your sheltered worldview you are able to grasp the fact that in Castro’s world you would likely be rotting in a prison cell for trashing “the revolution” the way you are trashing the U.S. government.

”And yes skuz, the fed should have been "The Fed" or Federal Reserve. It's my mistake to use and forget to capitalize a term so familiar from my schooling and training in a general forum. I thought the drumbeat from the establishment media (budget problems "are" from entitlements not military and healthcare problems) woulda been clue enough, sorry.”

Again, please be specific. Where are these “complaints” from the Federal Reserve? Where they just made off the cuff by Greenspan, or were they issued on Fed stationary. Also, which examples are you prepared to cite to support your contention that the “establishment media” attribute all buget problems to entitlement programs. Once again, I’m waiting.

”And past exchanges with direwolfxxx are in the archive if you need a reality check. I jump to conclusions at times; soory to forget the love we bring. I'm just tired of racism (remember jackboot dire), Christians who don't know the basics of their scriptures, and right wing propaganda.”

Yet again, I am asking you for evidence. So far, it seems you’ve just engaged in the worst kind of cheap, ignorant, and irresponsible slander against another member of the forum. I implore you to prove me wrong or offer an apology.

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Poster: Spaced Date: Jan 24, 2007 12:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

If you wanna get specific please tell me how saying "(remember jackboot dire)" is slander. And there was no specific slander on his religion either, so the burden of proof is on you. You guys are reactionary -- who is emotionally resorting to foul language?

Direwolfxxx said I had serious issues, but I'll leave it to you to wade again through thousands of his and others reactionary posts in the last 6 months. One thread started on another Archive forum, and it was not "think good thought" type stuff I expect from upstanding members of the flock. That a "Cat Under Stars" part of the HeadMind.

Keep up politics and so will I!

Castro IS a small rebel of our making, who dug in after obsessive punitive sanctions while we train and support other dictators, terrorists, and dark death squads. Let's be honest if we place blame.

Right wingers fall into line with rants but can't face facts. If anyone cares, they can do some thinking for themselves:
http://www.counterpunch.org/delahunt05282004.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/lariva01232007.html


>Where are these “complaints” from the Federal Reserve? >Where they just made off the cuff by Greenspan

Greenspan has been retired for awhile now, so this proves my mistake of assuming people on this forum have commands of the facts.

BTW, rhetoric often involves exaggeration to make points clear. Down in the valley of the shadow I will fear no wingnuts.

What's oddly fascinating is that people who 'follow' an amazing group of freethinkers believe propaganda that Islamic fundamentalists (or whoever the latest enemy is, read Orwell) is the biggest problem facing the world. Sure, they're a problem. The death of 3000 people from the 911 attack was terrible, but does it mean that hundreds of thousands of innocent people be killed in lying retaliation?

The response is very un-Christian, not that security and protecting life and property isn't required. But then I don't think that a person is actually God -- and suspect that leaders of powerful empires who claim that God is on their warmongering side are actually knowing tools of demons.

CHOOSE LIFE wingnuts, not phony 'realpolitik' propaganda.


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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Jan 24, 2007 2:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

“If you wanna get specific please tell me how saying "(remember jackboot dire)" is slander. And there was no specific slander on his religion either, so the burden of proof is on you. You guys are reactionary -- who is emotionally resorting to foul language? “

What is slander- and this is a DIRECT QUOTE FROM YOU –is the following: “I notice, direwolf0701, that you can only muster a claim of "serious issues" but have nothing substantive to say except Fox News/Archie Bunker level comments and beyond into outright racist war-mongering. If I think I see it I'll post”

So, I’m STILL waiting to see your evidence that Direwolf has engaged in “racist warmongering”. I don’t need to wade through anything; providing just one example will do. My guess is you won’t because you simply can’t. You’re making bloated, bigoted claims with no with no basis in fact, then becoming upset when someone demands that you back them up with fact. You, sir, are the hatemonger, as well as a moral coward. Again, I publicly implore you to prove me wrong.

PS- I am also still waiting for these “complaints” from the Federal Reserve. You offer nothing but irrelevant remarks about Greenspan’s retirement. Yet again, I ask you for proof. Or does your explanation of rhetoric serve as a de facto admission that you were lying on this (and possibly other) points. As for your comical website recommendations, surely you’re joking.

Finally, you seem to have some information whereby I’ve “fallen in line” with a “right wing rant”. Be a sport and share it with the class.

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Poster: Spaced Date: Jan 24, 2007 5:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

Oh man, I was raging myself. The tough thing is that I don't have complete control over changes to Archive forums database, but at least I did find a few items of interest.

1st, if you look up the typo Alhtough, you'll find only direwolf0701 references.

2nd, Note the quote of direwolf0701, with the same typo as only he seems to make. Here's a post I made:
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Poster: Spaced Date: August 14, 2006 11:06:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are some Deadheads confused?
>>>you are either under the age of 20 or just a plain moron.>>>

One way or another...I gotta get a life.

Nuclear weapons allow me to post on this forum? God, no wonder Grateful Dead is just the Dead. I had come back to moderate my comments, but your comments in another post indicate strongly that there's a seal over the eye of your heart:

Poster: direwolf0701 Date: August 15, 2006 03:44:26am
"Alhtough, as long as this country is 50+ percent white caucasion - i will go for it."

I'm not sure if there's an antidote for zombie racism or even if you went to shows. HA, is this all you have: "don't give me those pathetic gd lyrics."

You could be a paid agent to monitor and act as a provacateur. Your only response, "greatest country in the world" proves nothing except an inability to deal with this factual reality. I was born here from generations of "white" people born here and don't want to see it completely ruined by willful cretins.
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3rd, that quote is no longer in the database and probably many others in CYA mode have been deleted.


4, the 1st 3 posts in this thread seems to indicate posts are missing, or I just could find the ones in question:
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Poster: DEADBUCK Date: August 15, 2006 06:13:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Look out...politics are comin' in!!!
Folks....
Look out...somebody opened the stupid political door again...and a bunch of left and right crap is spilling forth...get a poncho and stand back! Is it because it is raining out?(here in my little town). Now lets get back to the DEAD!


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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: August 15, 2006 06:41:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Look out...politics are comin' in!!!
i blame all of my responses for being under anaestesia for over four hours and then painkillers. i knew not what i wrote (actually that is almost true) - i need to stay out of political threads anyways, they are bad for my brain :)


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Poster: DEADBUCK Date: August 15, 2006 06:49:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Look out...politics are comin' in!!!
hope you are on the mend!
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5, And here's an ugly sentiment well before hospital drugs:
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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: May 08, 2006 04:22:41am
Forum: iraq_war Subject: Re: Color Me Suspicious
Iraq should be turned into a massive parking lot with a Lowes, Walmart, and Dick's Sportin Goods right in the center of it all. Capitalism Rules :)
Now, as for Iran............ maybe a simple Subway shop surrounded by destruction - gotta have something to look at while you eat one of their wonderful Buffalo Chicken Subs with lots of blue cheese.
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6, a casual journey thru this forums leads me believe that at least a few people have multiple identities, which the whole thing with Liam indicated. A likely troll is cosmicharlie-Rastamon-EARL-N.Y. JACK. All in all, that nexus counts some very ugly sentiments. I won't share the reasons now because it's gonna take a bit more time to collect and analyze data, though it may make more sense to leave the mighty kings of the forums to their Titanic.

Forgive me but sometimes this board really does seem like a neocon chickenhawk project of some right-wing think tank. Or it could be I just don't like rednecks.

In any case, those projects known as Ann Coulter and Melanie Morgan are very sad indeed. This space is getting HOT huh?



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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Jan 24, 2007 6:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

Hey Spaced ... your name suits you perfectly, for it's quite evident that you are way out there in your thinking, especially in your taking past posts out of context, which is easy to do on a forum such as this. Please first graduate from your high school text book thinking before you start lobbing unfounded accusations at folks who, quite frankly, you know not.

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Poster: Spaced Date: Jan 25, 2007 12:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

I woulda provided more context but it seems to have been deleted.

Sure I know the 'people' here just from their words. And Thank God, because mean people suck.

In actuality it's the neocon chorus that is way out there. The more you dig into narrow conservative propaganda, the more it will take to free yourselves.

This is more like tough love; your own actions not my statements determine your fates. I would ask the same of you; the failing will not die. You think you can tell heaven from hell?

Ah you guys are boring. There is more than the planting and growing but this seems like trying to plant seeds in sand. Don't say I never warned you when your train gets lost.



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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Jan 25, 2007 6:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

Drats! Foiled again by that damn deleted context!

At least there was time for some more ham-handed lyric quoting.

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Poster: rastamon Date: Jan 25, 2007 5:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

speak for yourself

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jan 24, 2007 5:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

Fuck You you little prick! How dare you quote me when my tibia was virtually sticking out of my leg and i WAS eating vidodins like candy and high as a kite and just having fun. You want to deal with that kind of pain and the resultant buzz and just bustin with the rest of the forum - you don't know shit you little twinkie.

What about your comment recently and a response to me from two days ago. huh?? You are too much of a pussy to respond. you are nothing but a little sally!! Get the fuck off this forum!! go join a polital sally forum, get the hell away from us, you obviously can't hold a candle to the true people, christians, and gentlemen here on this good site. get out, good riddance, and good day little boy.

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Poster: Spaced Date: Jan 24, 2007 11:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

What's the excuse now for the filthy mouth(s) if drugs were the problem?

I wasn't that thrilled about taking to the next level but redneck yelling got to me I guess. I was surprised temporarily that big parts of threads were deleted and that each of you have multiple identities to inflate the strength of your odious opinions.

It's not like I cherry picked an offhand comment, you guys love Ann Coulter and her fascist inclinations. Venomous tantrums are not a sign of good character.

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Poster: cush11 Date: Jan 24, 2007 11:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

If you do not like the "odious opions" expressed here, don't read them!

Another note, that is my long lost younger brother you are ragging on, so you you are on me too...

And this tantrum you have embarked on is not venomous? No, it's far beyond...

And furthermore you wait until 12:30 MST to post this?

Bye now, no I'm not even going to call you that.

Just curious though, what was the last name you used here?

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Jan 25, 2007 6:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

The only one throwing a tantrum here is you.

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Jan 25, 2007 6:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

Good grief, is THIS all you could come up with?

Citing typos (so frequently an indicator of racism), references to deleted posts, one comment about going for a Caucasian majority that clearly has been sliced from a longer conversation and thus stripped of any context (good or bad), and an obviously sarcastic comment about turning Iraq into a strip mall that only a true moron would consider to be actual ‘warmongering’? That’s IT?!?

We have kept up this conversation for several days, and you have yet to back up your claim that the individual in question is a racist warmonger. Now that I’ve embarrassed you into at least trying to do so, you offer up this pathetic little cut and paste job surrounded by, essentially, the adult version of “the dog ate my homework?”
I mean, I knew you were full of shit from the beginning, but this is just sad.

To me this has nothing to do with right or left wing politics. It’s all about your judgmental ass slapping nasty labels on anyone who disagrees with your cartoonish worldview. You are clearly paranoid and delusional, and quite often your comments aren’t even lucid. Finally, your constant attempts to shoehorn Dead lyrics into everything you say make you look even more like a dumbass, if such a thing is possible.

You don’t like rednecks? Great. I don’t like idiots.

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Poster: Spaced Date: Jan 25, 2007 12:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

You might fool some people, so let me flip the script and try the wingnut tactic. You prove to me when I accused direwolf0701 of racism. And no cut and paste 'the dog ate my soul' excuses.

My advice is expand your consensus reality a bit.

My responses to destroying countries and many people in them as implied and to deleted comments of a racist nature were the ones that exploded in cascades of angry foul language. I can just imagine how the wingnuts were accepted in 1960s SF.

But I'm not moving to the country. If people don't want to hear responses to provocative speech, just stop. The knee jerk reactions are what's delusional.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jan 25, 2007 1:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

"My responses to destroying countries and many people in them as implied and to deleted comments of a racist nature were the ones that exploded in cascades of angry foul language."

OK. So I'm trying to run this sentence through the conceptual analyser to see what it actually means but so far it's coming up a big shoulder-shrugging blank. You want to run that one by me again?

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Poster: high flow Date: Jan 25, 2007 1:17pm
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Very nice Rob. I was thinking the same thing, but I don't have a sentence analyzer. So thanks for confirming my suspicion that the sentence in question was meaningless.:)

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jan 25, 2007 1:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

Well yes. It's really hard to have any sort of meaningful discussion with someone who appears to have only a nodding acquaintance with your own language. Fanaticism seems to have got the better of him.

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Poster: high flow Date: Jan 25, 2007 1:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

I'm a pizza and GD forum fanatic. I keep my fanaticism out of the religion/politics arenas.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jan 25, 2007 1:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

GD and pizza. Good enough for me!

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Poster: rastamon Date: Jan 25, 2007 2:03pm
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with anchovies?

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jan 25, 2007 2:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

can I have jalapenos?

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Poster: high flow Date: Jan 25, 2007 4:41pm
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mmmmmm Jalapenos, so good. I like 'em on almost everything. Except my eye-balls.

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Poster: Spaced Date: Jan 25, 2007 1:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

"My responses to destroying countries and many people in them as implied and to deleted comments of a racist nature were the ones that exploded in cascades of angry foul language."

OK. So I'm trying to run this sentence through the conceptual analyser to see what it actually means but so far it's coming up a big shoulder-shrugging blank. You want to run that one by me again?
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Sure. Thanks; it works better if you've followed the threads since the tirades on the horrors of the lack of free music.

Mr. Direwolfxxx was wishing total destruction on Iraq and Iran. That's a lot of people dead. And for what?

Comments of a racist nature have been deleted, but I did quote a fragment earlier.

I've objected to hate speech, and of course some may think mass genocide funny or loving or neutral, but I objected. I see the mass of political asides in this forums coming from mostly neocon swilling chickenhawks who launch into insecure foul mouthed tirades when checked.

Others might compose sentence nicely, but don't seem know how things roll into one. Perhaps that sort of communication is limited to narrow wavelengths of mixed metaphors of friendship. Maybe it WAS the roses, you can never tell.

Ok, so back to pressing concerns like Bobby's beard and wingnut asides.

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Jan 25, 2007 2:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

"Others might compose sentence nicely, but don't seem know how things roll into one. Perhaps that sort of communication is limited to narrow wavelengths of mixed metaphors of friendship."


??????????????????

You can't be serious.

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Poster: rastamon Date: Jan 25, 2007 2:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

ding-ding!....we may have a Spinner! ...it all rolls into one...heavy, dude!

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jan 25, 2007 2:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

I did follow the threads. You really need to be a bit more coherent and concise if you have something to get off your chest otherwise you're just going to alienate your audience.

Whoops! You did.

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Jan 25, 2007 2:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

Sure. Here you go (for the third time):

“I notice, direwolf0701, that you can only muster a claim of "serious issues" but have nothing substantive to say except Fox News/Archie Bunker level comments and beyond into outright racist war-mongering. If I think I see it I'll post"

In your own inimitable style, are quite clearly stating that Direwolf’s posts range from ignorant bigotry (Archie Bunker) to "racist war mongering”. You are calling hima racist. Period.

Again, this is the third time I have cited this quote from you. And by the way, I don't need any excuses about edited posts (although a quick glance at the date-time stamps on yours the last few days tells the tale). Anyone and everyone following this thread is well aware that you have spent two days fumbling rather awkwardly in attempt to justify your indefensible slandering of another. To suddenly pinwheel and attempt to deny it at this point would almost be comical if it weren’t so pathetic. If you never said it, why didn’t you just deny it to begin with?

Your politics I could care less about- it’s your despicable habit of casually smearing anyone who disagrees with you I take issue with. Your smug (and incorrect) assumption that you are speaking from a position of moral authority is nauseating.

As for the rest of your post, it is, like many of your other rants, virtually incomprehensible gibberish- as folks other than myself have noted.

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Poster: rastamon Date: Jan 25, 2007 2:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

i share some of that guilt, i quickly forgot my New Year resolution to keep religion, politics off of the GD forum
I shall just go the oxymoron named forum- Democracy now

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Poster: Spaced Date: Jan 25, 2007 2:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

>I don't need any excuses about edited posts (although
>a quick glance at the date-time stamps on yours the
>last few days tells the tale).

You can only ask for proof that you know was erased, and direwolfxxx (which ID this time) himself admitted the quote January 24, 2007 05:49:31pm.

This isn't rocket science or a big jump.

The nasty language of the wingnuts is about the best thing I can show of good intention. I did say something (and too passionately), but the venomous tantrums after getting called out are revealing.

Of course nothing I can say will make some of you believe there's darkness in your own eyes.

If you let the fear within you grow, you may find spiritual roses to punch you in the nose, twist their arms around you, and slap you till you cry.

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Jan 26, 2007 7:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?



I think this is issue has been clearly settled. You have no evidence to back up your claims. You are little more than an ignorant loudmouth.

I, on the other hand, was careful to preserve proof of my charges about you. It really isn't hard to figure out why you took such an ass whipping on this one.

You'll be thrilled to know, however, that several folks have peeked over my shoulder and had a good laugh at you your infantile ramblings. I work with an extremely diverse group of people, and it's pretty unanimous that you're either incredibly stupid, addled by substance abuse, or possibly insane. I'm sure the comedy hasn't been intentional on your part, but at least you've proven not to be a complete waste of oxygen.

Also, I notice that I am now not the only one to observe that you are “delusional”. You may want to have this problem looked into. While you're at it, remedial English classes are available in most communities. I can assure you that you would benefit from one.


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Poster: Spaced Date: Jan 25, 2007 2:24pm
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The point is, can you find it in the archives. Prove it to me, as you asked of me.

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Jan 25, 2007 2:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

What are you, 15 years old?

Please see my post time-stamped January 23, 2007 06:33:03am. It contains my comments as well as the full, unedited text of your original offending post.

Couldn't edit THAT, could ya, punk?

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Poster: high flow Date: Jan 25, 2007 2:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

Oh, that was sweet.

Down goes Frazier...!!(in yer best Cosell voice)

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Poster: Spaced Date: Jan 25, 2007 3:01pm
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>Couldn't edit THAT, could ya, punk?

That was exactly the point. I wanted you to SEE the point about editing so I edited just what I asked you to prove.

Just like you asked me to prove points from posts that were edited and deleted. Again this is not rocket science.

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Poster: rastamon Date: Jan 25, 2007 3:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

not to be trolling again...but spaced,
have you ever considered switching from indica to sativa?

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Poster: Spaced Date: Jan 25, 2007 3:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

I went over my quota in tangents, and made the switch to air quite awhile ago.

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Poster: high flow Date: Jan 25, 2007 3:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

Hey Spaced. Why are you here? Do you like GD? I ask because that is what we, in this forum, all have in common.

I would love to send you some music, man. Once you are on the receiving end of kindess from the folks here at LMA, our political differences will melt away.

All deadheads are not the same. That is what makes this crowd so fun. It's not your typical social-club. As heads, we have decided the most important topic to discuss here is our love of music.

Day to Day political topics come and go, but attemting to change the way others think is exactly the type of behavior you rant against. So, quit it.

andy@gemut.com

You have unlimited access to my archive of over 75 GD shows and over 600 cd's of various genres.

I offer this because I want you to know just what kind of people you are offending. Maybe then, you will lighten your touch.

Peace.

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Poster: Spaced Date: Jan 25, 2007 4:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

Thanks. But at this point, hearing what I've heard, I can't get too close. I'm sorry but advocating mass genocide is shameful and very un_friendly.

Even the question "Do you like GD?" shows a disconnect. I wouldn't be able to interpret and misinterpret the lyrics if I wasn't connected!

Almost similar to scriptures of many types, I've found much in GD songs that I once overlooked. It seems that many of US can't remember "Are you kind?" really does apply outside of listening to music. Why limit kindness to our tribe, nation, religion, etc.

I used to think that Deadheads were exemplary people, but now I know another way the night comes so quiet and it's close on the heels of the day. The seeds of light are not all the same it seems.

Heads I've know have gone beyond music, because the music required it. Hints of song meaning in other songs flowing in and out of each other. Maybe a statements like that or riffing off songs is too pretzel logic for some who don't want to think too much about desolation row.

I'm no doubt not the only one who had enough, so I can close with this from Dark Star, which I found for the 1st time just now on Hunter's archive:

spinning a set the stars through which the tattered tales of axis roll about the waxen wind of never set to motion in the unbecoming round about the reason hardly matters nor the wise through which the stars were set in spin

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Poster: high flow Date: Jan 25, 2007 6:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

You are just chicken and you hide behind what you think are deep analogies and grand lyrical referrences, but you come off like a slime-ball.

Sorry, dude. I am among the top 99% in the universe when it comes to honesty and, though I often bite my tongue for the sake of the offenders feelings, I call them as I see them.

You, the hairy little troll-turd...

The offer stands and I still have hope, but sparky, you are way off track. Your reluctance to grab the hand that reached-out speaks VOLUMES.


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Poster: Spaced Date: Jan 26, 2007 12:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

> You are just chicken and you hide behind what
> you think are deep analogies and grand lyrical
> referrences, but you come off like a slime-ball.


Sure my analogies might not always be on target, but I'd be a fool to trust someone who turns so quickly to foulness.

Why would I give personal information to hostiles with multiple screen names when even in San Francisco radio jocks target liberal journalists, politicians, and everyday people with 'jokes' about torture, hanging, and mass genocide.

Maybe you guys who hide behind so many screen names are astroturf plants or just homegrown crazies who might someday decide to act on something like hate radio KSFO's forecast that people will be hanging from the lampposts when the right-wing revolution comes.

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Poster: high flow Date: Jan 26, 2007 11:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

"I used to think that Deadheads were exemplary people, but now I know another way the night comes so quiet and it's close on the heels of the day. The seeds of light are not all the same it seems.

Heads I've know have gone beyond music, because the music required it. Hints of song meaning in other songs flowing in and out of each other. Maybe a statements like that or riffing off songs is too pretzel logic for some who don't want to think too much about desolation row."

Spaced - I just offered an olive branch and you reply w/ this SHIT! It's SHIT, MAN! WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU EXPECT?

Exemplary? Yes! All these "wingnuts" have spent hours of their valuable time and money to share this music. Like my offer to you, many here have made offers to me. No strings attached. It's a circle of kindness which you seem to be blind to.

You had nothing to lose. I know you have read my posts over the past 6 months so you know I've dealt honestly with my LMA mates. It wasn't your lack of trust for me, it's that you run away from anything that might be good.

I just feel sorry for you now. This thread is so revealing, and it doesn't look very good for you. You've lost the respect of your fellow man. Shame.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jan 26, 2007 1:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

Ok - this is me and just me. I do not have multiple screennames - what you see is what you get with me. And what I get with you is a pain in the neck.

What you need to if you want anyone to have a shred of sympathy for you and your viewpoints is to stop and think and clarify your thoughts before you post them. You also need to stop hijacking the writings of Robert Hunter et al and subverting them to your needs and prejudices. I try hard to avoid falling into the temptation of disenfranchising the inarticulate, but brother you push me close. If you want anyone to listen to you you need to be prepared to substitute dialogue for diatribe. You've been made generous offers recently, so grow up and join in - or shut up and shove off.

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Poster: SDH2O Date: Jan 26, 2007 2:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

Um, I almost missed this one. What flew up his butt? That vitriolic outpouring was rather nasty, was it not? Oh, crap, I forgot to file this post under one of my numerous alter-poster names. Now they'll know who I am and track me to my house. Where is McCarthy when you really need him?

Holy crap, I just wasted 20 minutes of my life I will never get back reading that entire thread back to the beginning. Castro v. Batista? Don't know about you, but I'm stickin' with Michael Jackson jokes.

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Poster: Spaced Date: Jan 26, 2007 2:56pm
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Robert Hunter: "...I fear a lot of people are thinking: what's with the breakdown of basic human decency in the Grateful Dead?
...
By the way, when I say Grateful Dead I'm not referring to the surviving members of that generational phenomenon expressed as music, but to the Mythos generated around it in which all who believe are able to partake according to their belief. I hate seeing the endemic cynicism of the times hamstring that lofty giant which everyone admits was bigger than any of us."


SDH: "Where is McCarthy when you really need him?"
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Spaced: I wish I could find "basic human decency" in the public opinions of GD forum favorite Ann Coulter, but I can't. What happened to the nicest 10,000 people I ever spent a night with, the good 'ole Grateful Dead?

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Poster: SDH2O Date: Jan 26, 2007 3:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

I'm all for spirited debate, I just get a little put off when it spills into personal attacks (I'm guilty of this as well re. "flew up his butt" could have been left out of my comment). I don't really care who fires the first salvo, but it is then our responsibility not to fan the flames by firing back with personal comments. I may be an ignorant prude, but at least I called myself that. Let's see if we can play together in the same sandbox without killing each other.

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Poster: wineland Date: Jan 26, 2007 11:31pm
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It was a humorous joke. Wish I could get that 20 mins back too. :-)

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Poster: Spaced Date: Jan 26, 2007 1:48pm
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>I try hard to avoid falling into the temptation
>of disenfranchising the inarticulate, but brother you push
>me close.

Disenfranchise me then. None of you discuss matters of substance. You only cast stones, accuse and bully.

I don't have to agree with victims of groupthink who habitually make hateful remarks. There's already been too much ugly wingnut rhetoric in last 6 months of this forum. Christmas in the South attending parties where people said massive nuclear bombing of the Middle East was good, perhaps that had some effect on me too.

"hijacking the writings of Robert Hunter"?!

Ppuhhh. A bit vague huh; any examples? What was SO wrong to cause such sustained outrage?

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jan 26, 2007 2:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

'None of you discuss matters of substance.'

There are many of us here who are more than happy to discuss matters of substance. If there's one thing I've learned in my short time in this forum it is that there are some fierce intelligences here. Underestimate them at your peril, sir.

'I don't have to agree with victims of groupthink'

One thing that would be evident to the meanest intelligence scanning this forum is that there is no evidence of 'groupthink'. A more diverse and articulate group of individuals you would be hard pressed to find.


"hijacking the writings of Robert Hunter"?!

Why yes indeed. Do you have the bare-faced effrontery to deny that you salt your posts with cherry-picked quotes to suit your self-serving purposes?

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Poster: Spaced Date: Jan 26, 2007 2:54pm
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Give me something to work with if you're serious. Otherwise we can just move on (pun not intended).

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jan 26, 2007 10:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

does this mean you are finally leaving for good?? thank god!! i, for one, can't believe this is all still going on.


(by the way - this is my only name on the forum in the past four years)

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Poster: cush11 Date: Jan 26, 2007 10:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

I guess with an attitude like that the worst part would be having to live with yourself.

He didn't jump on the piece of "spelling bait" I left earlier though...

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jan 26, 2007 10:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

i think he likes it - he keeps this damn thread going. stupid is as stupid does - HEY!! that's it!!! maybe we should just start calling him Forrest!!! lol

(life is a box of chocalates)

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Jan 25, 2007 7:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

high flow ... hey man, clearly you've gone the extra mile w/your kind offer, but banging your head up against the brick wall of ignorance can be very exhausting! Just leave it be my friend ...

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Poster: high flow Date: Jan 25, 2007 8:23pm
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I thought I'd give him one chance to prove he/she/it is not pure troll-dung. I was not shocked by the corny reply.

Thanks Arbuthnot.

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Poster: cush11 Date: Jan 25, 2007 9:00pm
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Does this person remind anyone else of the "spelling police" person a couple months ago? The rancor seems very familiar...

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Jan 25, 2007 9:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

Howdy Cush! ... sorry you had to read through all that 'spaced' out verbiage. Glad to see ya friend, but i'll wait til you've had a chance to clear your head!

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Poster: cush11 Date: Jan 25, 2007 9:17pm
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Didn't read much of it. He posted last night around 12;30am my time...

http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=97638

Go figger huh? Almost pissed me off. I don't feed energy vampires though!!!

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Poster: wineland Date: Jan 26, 2007 11:26pm
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nice gesture. thanks for taking the conversation up to higher ground when it was hard to conceive any such kindness was warrented.

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Jan 26, 2007 5:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

Apparently it IS rocket science where you're concerned. You're a tad behind, laddy. The rest of the class is on page 56. Would you like to join us?

To review:

1. You called Direwolf a "racist warmonger" with no evidence whatsoever to support this fact (the "racist" part is what really set me off).
2. When I asked for proof, you fumbled about for several posts attempting to change the subject, then told me to go searching myself- only when pushed did you suddenly claim all the evidence had been edited and/or deleted.
3. You then edited your own original offending post and challenged me to prove you ever said it. It is date-time stamped as such.
4. I pointed you to my follow up post, where your original post was quoted verbatim. The original date-time stamp remains in place.
5. You are now searching for a towel to wipe the egg from your face in front of the small gathering that has witnessed this debacle.

I'm guessing you're somewhere between 20 and 25, or maybe a really juvenile 30. Based on your posts, either English isn't your native tongue or, in trying to sound somewhat intelligent, you're stringing together words without fully understanding their meaning. Either way, it's not helping your case.

Your real problem, though is that you seem to be struggling with acceptance of the fact that(as High Flow and many, many others have pointed out) not all Deadheads hold the same views on politics, religion, or much of anything except their love of Grateful Dead music (and even in that arena there can be some serious disagreements). When someone tried passing the peace pipe your way a few posts ago, you basically rejected it.

Your refusal to accept the fact that even when provided with the same information available to you others may not see the world the same way you do can only be attributed to ignorance and immaturity.

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Poster: Spaced Date: Jan 26, 2007 1:03pm
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>3. You then edited your own original offending post and
>challenged me to prove you ever said it. It is date-time
> stamped as such.

You're letting your emotions run away with your rationality. I'm not saying permanently, but in this case I don't understand why you don't see that I edited the post intentionally and told you that I did for the very reason why I can't make a good case.

As direwolfxxx admitted, and of course I've already made this point -- he said the things. I should have realized that people would cover their tracks, and in hindsight I understand their shame.

Now, let's have a heart-to-heart on immigration and the racial composition of the US. I think that would clarify things real quick. :)

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Jan 26, 2007 1:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

Damn, you're a slow one, aren't you?

1a. Yeah, you deleted your post on purpose- we GOT IT.
1b. Somehow you've made a near world record leap in logic that the fact that you can edit your posts, and Direwolf can edit his posts, in some way validates your claims that he is a "racist warmonger."

So, repeat after me: "one has nothing to do with the other."

Work with me here, ol boss.



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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jan 26, 2007 9:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

very very nicely worded my friend. you handled this much better than my vitriolic spewings :)
talk about putting a moron in his place - my hat is off to you sir!!

(now, if only i could learn to do that rather than being a foul mouthed, hot head - well, atleast the hot head part anyways/ i'll never be able to fix my poor vocabulary)

this was like having an attorney present ;)

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Poster: high flow Date: Jan 26, 2007 11:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

Yeah, way to go Skuzz. With the organized thoughts and all. Impressive.

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Jan 26, 2007 11:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

Not a problem. Trust me, I’m quick with a cussword myself and it was a struggle to hold back.

Not that you couldn’t have handled this ass clown all by your lonesome. He just happened to trip two of by biggest triggers:

1.) The assumption that all Deadheads neatly fit a certain stereotype. Newsflash: we’re not all the same. Grow up.
2.) The casual pasting of labels like “racist” and “bigot” on anyone who doesn’t subscribe to a certain leftist political bent. This I’m absolutely sick of and will simply no longer tolerate, whether it’s directed at me or someone else. This is not an off-the-cuff insult and should never be directed at someone simply for remarks made in jest or taken out of context. These are serious words, and using them in an attempt to discredit and smear someone just because they don’t see things the way you do is despicable.

Now, back to your vitriolic spewings!

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jan 26, 2007 12:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

watching you neatly slice and dice his entire argument - all i could picture left of Spaced by the end was the tiny character of Plankton from Spongebob Squarepants just flailing his little "arms". (sorry, i have two young daughters).

it was an entertaining and impressive performance skuzz - hence, i happily stayed the hell out of the way :)

two thumbs up!

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Poster: high flow Date: Jan 26, 2007 12:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

Skuzz - You are my newest GD forum hero. The list continues to grow...

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jan 25, 2007 5:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

foul language???? i have a phd in english, i am/was a pschchotic expert skier and moutain biker. this is the language of the street and the academy. yes, even Notre Dame can handle this. sorry your poor high school education didn't cover this - but maybe if you take some grad school classes you may graduate beyond Barney and Dora - just a hope i have for you

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Poster: Spaced Date: Jan 25, 2007 12:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

Perhaps wingnuts should also take Grateful Dead lyrics to heart. They're designed to make you reflect.

This post was modified by Spaced on 2007-01-25 20:55:52

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Poster: rastamon Date: Jan 25, 2007 12:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

any wingnuts on the "left"? name me a few socialist revolutionary wingnuts...
I enjoy a lot of GD/Hunter lyrics but you seem to apply them to your own agenda.

If you want to see mean people ranting and raving hate and bile and supressing others free speech, go no furthur than a San Francisco demonstration. I've seen it firsthand, been spat on and cursed. Mean people suck!

So, in general....
Once in a while you get shown the light
In the strangest of places if you look at it right

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Poster: high flow Date: Jan 25, 2007 1:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

:-)

Well said cosmic. Yeah freedom of speech...until you piss off a liberal, right?

All you need is love...

To all you "freedom freaks", talk to me when YOUR kids' future is at stake...we'll see if your singing a dfferent tune then...

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Poster: Spaced Date: Jan 25, 2007 1:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

Hate speech is ugly. BTW, I'm not communist which seems just another excuse for dictators.

A conscious life does not include a 'by any means necessary' approach. Even Malclom X mellowed as he saw the end of time approaching.

Acquiescence to enormous wrongs can't be explained away by fearful alarmists; we are still responsible as a group for sins (and good deeds) done in own name. We shouldn't let ourselves become the things we claim we fear. You know, petty tyrants.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jan 25, 2007 1:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

'A conscious life does not include a 'by any means necessary' approach.'

All life is 'by any means necessary' because all life is about survival. To think othewise is a delusion.

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Poster: Spaced Date: Jan 25, 2007 2:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

No, the proud and ruthless will not inherit the earth. Slight tangent: Dylan's Maters of War is still quite good.

Garcia agreed when people started interpreting Touch of Grey oddly. I can't find it but I heard something around the Rainforest Benefit time he said something like some situations are worth giving up your life.

I wouldn't want to survive in Hell, as the prophets have warned.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jan 25, 2007 2:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

If you had said anything at all that was of the slightest relevance to my comment I might have some sort of response for you.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jan 25, 2007 1:26pm
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Aren't they already at stake?

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Poster: high flow Date: Jan 25, 2007 1:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

You have kids and your still liberal? Wow. What happened? Oh yeah, Duke University. :)

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jan 23, 2007 4:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

"Seriously, if you can offer hard proof Direwolf is a racist, I’d love to see it. " (Scuzzle quote - thank you Scuzzle - i appreciate that!!)



"I'm just tired of racism (remember jackboot dire), Christians who don't know the basics of their scriptures, and right wing propaganda. " (asshole quote)

THAT i take exception too my archive poster!! Do not dare question my Christianity or basic knowledge of scripture (though i will certainly admit i cannot quote it). You are a repugnant born again - not those born agains who actually preach love and acceptance. You call me a Jackboot???? You make me sick!!! To think that you call yourself a loving Christian AND and AMERICAN makes me want to THROW UP IN MY PROTECTIVE BOOT!!! You are the type i would gladly give my hard earned money to buy a one way ticket out of my beloved country - you don't like the USA and are embarassed - get the fuck out - no one wants you here.

You think you can find another country where money doens't control the government - good luck my blind friend - good luck in your search. Even in the most basic tribal nations - power rules - it is what it is. The US is the most charitable nation on the face of this planet. Are we perfect??? - hell no. Does the war in Iraq suck - hell ya!!!! Get off your soap box - try and open your eyes - take a real look at what is going on globally rather than the idealistic world ocurring behind your eyelids. you are a true politica dilettante - and i would hazard to say a christian one as well. truly sad my friend - truly sad.

You don't know me, but unfortunately for me I have gotten to know at least part of you from what you have written here. like i said, you are a dilettante, a neophyte, and just a blind christian and staggeringly poor political masterbatory activist

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Poster: rastamon Date: Jan 23, 2007 4:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

Well said dire!

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jan 23, 2007 4:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

no one attacks me so deeply like that without receiving a rebuke - that dude is pure pussy - these fangs haven't come out in two months (or so ive been told by SDH and Jody) - this dude called me out on a real personal level - if he was in front of me saying that........

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Poster: high flow Date: Jan 23, 2007 4:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

In case anybody else was wondering...

This term(Jackboot) can easily be attached to today's religious-right whackos. Folks who see others as evil based on ideals that are completely unrealistic. This type of glass-house-dwelling fanatic fails to see the facist within...

Doesn't sound like the Dire I know.

From Wikipedia...

A jackboot is a type of combat boot that reaches mid-calf, has no laces, and typically has a leather sole with hobnails and heel irons.

Although dating from before Napoleon, since the twentieth century jackboots have been strongly associated with totalitarian motifs. The word is commonly used in Britain as a synonym for totalitarianism, particularly Fascism, although jackboots and similar types of footwear have been worn by various British regiments since the 18th Century. Following the 1982 invasion of the Falkland Islands, British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher declared that the democratic rights of the Falkland Islanders had been assaulted, and would not surrender the islands to the Argentine "jackboot".

The term is perhaps less used in America, although in 1995, National Rifle Association (NRA) president Wayne LaPierre sparked controversy when he referred to overzealous federal agents as "jackbooted government thugs"; the comment caused former U.S. President George H.W. Bush to resign his lifetime membership in the organization. The resignation of so public a figure as Mr. Bush prompted an open letter from the association to the former president to be published in major newspapers; the letter included a litany of alleged and settled cases of Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms abuses and an assertion that LaPierre and the NRA were merely borrowing a well-worn phrase uttered by other public figures in their calls for reform of the agency, among them Representative John Dingell of Michigan.[1]

The boots are connected to Fascism, particularly Nazism, as they were issued by the Wehrmacht and SS during early phases of World War II before Germany encountered leather shortages. Due to the material and goosestepping of the soldiers, it led to a distinct sound typified by Fascist military marches.[citation needed] It is notable that the same style of boot had been in use with German armies in World War I and before.

Jackboots can also be associated with the former USSR and East Germany. Jackboots are still a part of the modern parade and service attire of the army of Russia.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jan 23, 2007 4:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

i have no idea where this fuck head got off making that reference (many thanks to skuzzle to backing me on the thread)

the only time i wear jackboots is keeping my girlfriend in line.

and if she ever reads that.. in lieu of flowers, please send a donation to your favorite charity ;)

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Jan 24, 2007 6:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

No problem. I'm fucking sick and tired of seeing heavy words like that wrecklessly slapped on people at the drop of hat.

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Poster: Spaced Date: Jan 23, 2007 8:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

You're a regular Mark Twain with the girls. ;)

Hey I wasn't speaking about YOUR Christianity per se, but since you weren't in the thread for awhile I could see how you might get confused.

Sorry if I stepped on your toes or confused with an odd old reference from the summer/fall forums postings, and I hope you're healed fully from the anesthesia and hospital visits.

Love it or leave it? I heard that enough from Archie Bunkers -- you know it really applies to the whole world rather than just US!

Really, who are your brothers and sisters?

People say this is the greatest nation ever, though when you get down to the facts, we were founded on genocide and chattel slavery and just don't act like an admired leader. We can't even talk about it between ourselves.




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